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all right welcome back everyone to the

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rabbit hole conversations today i have a

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very exciting guest i'm here with miss

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christina gomez

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she is the creator behind the phenomenal

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paradigm shifts youtube channel

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um yeah and i've been very excited to

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get to talk to you so welcome to the

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show christina

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thank you for having me on i am really

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excited to be able to talk with you and

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i know that we're going to have some

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really fascinating conversations today

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oh yes absolutely well let's just dive

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right into it so

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i'm going to start off with one of the

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biggest mysteries in the ufo

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world and i love your thoughts on it and

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the the mystery is

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where did you get your time machine

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because that's the only way i can think

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of that you could possibly be putting

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out all this content that you put out

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well i just don't sleep so i make sure

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to put on a lot of makeup right here so

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that they don't show the the dark

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circles

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um but when it

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when it comes to something that you love

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you always find the time for it no

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matter how many hours are in a day

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you're always gonna really strive for

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what you think is important and

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the shows that i have under my channel

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christina gomez or um

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strange shifting the paradigm paradigm

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shifts excuse me

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there's so much that's covered and i'm

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practically coming in blind there's i'm

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so new to the field i only started about

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i guess maybe a year and a half ago now

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it seems like just a few days but

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when

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just go for it so i have one show called

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shifting the paradigm where i interview

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ufo researchers and enthusiasts for the

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most part

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and i get to ask all the questions that

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i have on these on on people that

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specialize in very specific topics and

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then there's also mysteries with a

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history where it's kind of more talking

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about the more paranormal the

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supernatural or even things classified

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under the fringe

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the reason to why i do all of this is

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not only for myself to just get a grasp

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of what's going on out there

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what what we can better understand

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but it's also to create a foundation for

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other people just like myself who are

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brand new to the field and just don't

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know where to look there's so much

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information online and there's so many

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books there's so many documentaries and

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in all of these different aspects

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of all the different type of phenomena

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but sometimes it can be overwhelming

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sometimes you're looking at a lot of

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disinformation sometimes you simply

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can't decipher if it's fact or fiction

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so with the shows that i have i try to

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find all the possible information and

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then allow the audience to

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arrive to their own conclusions because

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that's the least we can do we can never

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force our opinions or our bias on to

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anyone

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but what we can do is lead them into a

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direction that maybe they want to take

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that's amazing well i can definitely see

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your passion

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um i fun fact outside of my ufo life um

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i'm actually a brand director for an

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e-com company so i know what it takes to

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build what you have built and so i'm

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very impressed with what you've managed

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to do and i didn't realize it was only

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in a year and a half so congratulations

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you've done an amazing job

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and with that drive like i'd love to

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understand just a little bit more about

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that so i know you start you say you

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started about a year and a half ago is

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that sort of when your interest in ufos

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started or is this something that goes

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further back for you like how did this

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really hook you

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the channel i guess sometime after i had

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entered university and i had a lot of

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free time on my hands and i wanted to

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have this conversation with my peers i

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really wanted to get serious about this

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and being like hey like what do you

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think i've always been interested in

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these topics but never to the extent of

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doing research it's just kind of more of

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just like oh look cool like fairies

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that's great you know but not really

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understanding these these different

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topics and ferry's just a fun example

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when i had entered campus

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i would try to have these conversations

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with people and they were like hold on

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christina this is 8 am we haven't had a

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drink yet we're not under anything like

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i cannot have this conversation with you

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right now or like ever and i'm thinking

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about why i mean this is so

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fascinating there's so much that falls

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under the unknown and especially when

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you kind of have that

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still school mentality you know eggs are

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exiting high school into college you're

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kind of more book smart but not street

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smart and what you want to read is based

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off of the curriculum that your

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professors give you you can look outside

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of that if you want to but for the most

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part you don't right you just want to

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pass those exams

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and when it comes to this

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it's kind of more of a of like a shy

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hobby for some people when they have the

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time or like oh there's a really cool 10

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minute video on youtube or on or on tick

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tock let me just kind of check it out oh

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wow that's super cool and then it kind

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of goes in the back burner and they

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don't really do their research on it

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which is which is fine i was like that

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for years and there's nothing wrong with

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that

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but the reason to why again why i do

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this is to bring this topic forward to

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make it more mainstream and to give

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people and myself a good foundation to

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where they can build off of if you don't

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have a good foundation if you don't see

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all of the different aspects to all of

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these stories all of these anecdotal

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accounts and all of these let's say

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projects you're not going to understand

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what happens

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show the twilight zone it's it's a black

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and white tv show from the late 1950s

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into the 1960s and it was like my dad's

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and i favorite show to watch and with

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that program in particular was that

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at at that time in the 50s and 60s all

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of these topics were taboo they were

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completely imaginary could never happen

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and but these stories these

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shows were still bringing it to the

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public eye to let them think for

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themselves to think of the possibilities

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of these things and at the end of each

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they never really gave you a definitive

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answer on what happened to the main

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characters or what happened to these

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alien beings or these or these other

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things that were happening in the

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episodes it was very open-ended to where

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you could finish the show in your own

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old i'm like this is the best show ever

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like who wants to watch spongebob when i

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can watch this instead

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piqued my interest and then from there i

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fiction books on it and then it

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progressed into a real passion to really

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get the understanding of the historical

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aspect the science aspect and even

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slowly diving into the spiritual aspect

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as well i mean

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no matter what path you take with the

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ufo phenomenon with the paranormal with

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they're all going to take you to the top

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of the mountain to what you may perceive

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as the truth no matter which path you

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take it's all going to take you to the

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same destination at some point in time

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but from my understanding if you take

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all of those paths and put it in one you

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might get to that destination a little

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that makes so much sense i also watched

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twilight zone with my dad when i was

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little so that must be like a

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um i think it's so cool that you are in

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particular you know wanting i mean you

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speak to everyone i know you have a very

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diverse audience you know all ages um

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but you know the fact that you

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taken a special interest you know in

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and reaching out to them i think is

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really interesting and i'm not seeing

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you know anyone else really doing that i

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was talking about your tick tock earlier

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it's still growing it's still getting

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there no it's great it's great and um

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on gen z you know i know it's you talked

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about you know people not being ready to

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talk about it in the morning and it's

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something maybe that they're not

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familiar with but you know i have um

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younger siblings who were you know in

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their early 20s and i you know run

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teams of you know young marketers who

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are in their early 20s and so i like i

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really have gotten to know gen z and

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really admire your generation i think

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you guys are going to save us actually

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because you all just have such a good

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head on your shoulders and

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but i'm curious like what do you see as

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kind of barrier to getting your

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generation to take this seriously is it

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just exposure to the idea or do you

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think it's something more than that

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if you talk to someone about it it seems

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to be like hey so aliens like real or

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not they'll be like yeah obviously and

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then if you try to push for more that's

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kind of where it stops so it's not a

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question of existence or of belief

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but it's kind of more of there needs to

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be a better foundation there needs to be

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a little more of a drive to actually

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wanting to understand what's going on

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with my generation we're still kind of

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and i find that kind of disappointing

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we're always stuck on our phones and you

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you know i see on campus i can even see

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it at the grocery store where kids my

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age and even younger can walk with their

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phone in their hand and not trip not

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fall know where they're going and that's

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a super power in itself i mean

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fantastic

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but at the same time they're burying

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themselves in just something that is

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temporary like the latest fashion or or

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the latest trend or the latest um

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influencer for instance and it's

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disappointing for the most part but

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there's also a lot of really fantastic

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channels and we can look at tick tock as

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a good example this is a app that is

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accessible to everyone maybe from the

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age of 10 until let's say 40. everyone

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probably has it

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and while there's a lot of garbage on

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the app i'm not i'm not going to say any

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other words but just just garbage

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there's also some really really big

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profiles that are more educational on

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these topics and other scientific topics

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as well that i think are really making a

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difference to where when you're

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scrolling through all this you know

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dancing tutorials and lip syncing and

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boring stuff sometimes you're going to

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hit a gem and you're going to follow

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that profile and then continue with your

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day but maybe that one person

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made you think outside of the box for

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just a moment and i think that's kind of

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what social media is all about you need

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to take the good with the bad you're not

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going to have all good with any platform

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instagram snapchat whatever these other

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ones are

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you are never going to be

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perfectly insulated in the topic that

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you want to look at you're going to get

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everything so

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we are as a generation

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gen zed and those prior maybe maybe even

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millennials a little bit they're kind of

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we we are kind of addicted to our cell

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phones but not just that but kind of

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more of if we post a picture or a video

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we check every 10 minutes how many likes

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did i get how many views did i get like

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this is good enough

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am i good enough

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and that kind of we want to build our

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egoic profiles more than anything else

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more than really just putting our phone

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down going out looking at the sky

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looking at the oceans looking at any

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any piece of water that you have

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and just enjoying it without that kind

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of

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saying how are you doing on social media

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right now how how is your persona doing

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online

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and

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even though i have to i have to have an

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online presence you know with posting

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pictures posting videos posting content

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as long as it's clean as long as it's

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healthy and as long as that we have the

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mentality that we're doing the right

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thing

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it's not bad being on social media just

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doing it in moderation is what is

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important

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i think that's a fantastic point um

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and i do think you handle it with a lot

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of grace because i know that you know

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sometimes

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ufo twitter can be a crazy place

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sometimes and i've seen some crazy stuff

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come at you and you handled it really

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graciously um yeah and i think without

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like engaging with it too much because i

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think that's poison you know once you

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engage with it and kind of let it into

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your heart it's

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that can that can be really damaging

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the hard way that's for sure

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i feel that too sometimes i have to log

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off because i'm just like man this is

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not this is taking away what i this is

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taking what i love out of what i love

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and

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that's not cool

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no it's it's not and especially when

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sometimes you might get like really

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disheartening comments like you you put

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your blood and sweat into content that

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you create and i know you're like this

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as well kelly and then sometimes you get

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these kinds of comments and and in a

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sense it kind of just it brings you down

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and you're like should i just keep

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should i keep creating content and the

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answer is always yes because while you

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have one crappy person sending you a bad

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message you're having a ton of others

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that really appreciate what you post and

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that's for all fields not just our field

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but even let's say sports for example or

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or a fashion blog there's always going

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to be a bigger handful of people that

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are appreciating what you're doing and

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what they don't know is the behind the

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scenes we know as podcasters as those

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creating content how much work goes into

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it how many hours how much dedication

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and how much sacrifice you need to put

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into it and so when we hear those

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comments from time to time it's like

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obviously they don't understand this is

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like practically a full-time job without

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the full-time pay

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okay

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totally

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but at the end of the day

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we understand our worth we understand

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that for us it's worth it that we're

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helping not only ourselves but others

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who have the same questions and they're

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looking for answers and that's what it's

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all about

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yeah absolutely totally agree

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um going back to what you were saying a

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little bit before about you know

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how we were talking a little bit about

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how to like kind of get people's

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attention you know in this world we're

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all addicted to our phones and we're

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thinking about you know how many likes

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we got and all of that you know how do

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we kind of wake people up to this which

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i think when people do wake up to it you

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get kind of obsessed right it's because

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it's so interesting and so i think that

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you know it's

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something that i love about you know the

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work that you do is like you definitely

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do the you know the more hardcore

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research you talk to very serious people

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like you've got your pulse on what's

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going on you know within the government

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with with disclosure but you're not

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afraid to also do episodes that are like

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look at this cool thing that may or may

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not be true we don't know let's talk

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about it you know and and so i think

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that that's a really valuable

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tool so i'm wondering like what has been

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what has been exciting you lately like

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what have you been looking at either

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just for fun or that you've you know

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something that that's kind of stuck out

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to you that's making you excited right

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any

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case that i cover specifically for

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mysteries with the history it really

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takes me out of my comfort zone of like

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the ufo phenomena and making me look at

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a bunch of other different things i mean

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for example last week was the whole

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state of alaska and i had no idea how

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much was going on there you're having

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ufos you're having portals you're having

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cryptids

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and you're having these weird weather

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anomalies as well that just kind of

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don't fit the environment

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and

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with these types of topics it allows me

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to zone in

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on a specific thing that i want to look

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at because in research

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and i know that you're also a researcher

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you can easily get distracted you can

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easily follow a different path and it

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takes you somewhere else and you you do

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a 180 and you're like okay so this one

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and then you lose yourself and what

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you're originally searching for

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and while that's not necessarily a bad

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thing it's not because you're broadening

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your horizons

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when you are trying to for example

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create a show or an article or a book

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for instance

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it's important to have a very

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to have tunnel vision and to know

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exactly what you're looking for and if

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you do take a detour that you come back

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to your main point

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so

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that

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maybe didn't consider for instance for

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this upcoming show i'm talking about

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life after death

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okay talking about near death

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experiences and while that does interest

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me

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it

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to spend hours days of research just for

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just for the heck of it now that i have

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a purpose right to create a show and and

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to help other people understand it it

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makes it a lot easier to do my research

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and know where to look

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i totally agree i feel like it's been so

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um helpful for me

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doing my show just because i think it's

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so easy to just sort of like read an

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article somewhere and you've just got

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this piece of like information in your

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head but you didn't really check it out

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you don't really know for sure if it's

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legit and like i think that having to go

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back and like check my sources and

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double check things and say can i

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commemorate this does you know that sort

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of thing uh has been really clarifying

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for me which i think is you know part of

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the fun honestly i feel like i do

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it for anybody else

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well because in a sense you're kind of

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like a secret agent re you're right you

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really need to verify your sources and

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of course sometimes we all make mistakes

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sometimes without that a source was a

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good one and it wasn't it happens it's

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normal and with the work that we do in

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the era that we're in with the internet

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it is difficult to decipher

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disinformation from truth so i think

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that's also important to mention when we

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talk to our audience is to clarify

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saying look we're not experts

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we're doing this because we love it not

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because we have to

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and i i think i think that is

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is always important to mention and when

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it comes to

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verifying sources

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it's good to have several different

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what it's called like out um

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other sources to make sure that that

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first one that you looked at was a good

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source to do

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because people are always asking where'd

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you get that is that sourced or that you

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just read the headline and it's like

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no a lot of work goes into what we do

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and people just don't get it until they

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do it themselves

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yeah absolutely

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absolutely well switching gears just a

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little bit um i know that uh lou

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elizondo has been a big advocate of your

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work you know he calls you a friend that

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must be very affirming for the work that

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you're doing you know to have that that

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vote of confidence but i'm just so

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curious to know you know maybe what

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you've what you've learned from him

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whether it be about the ufo phenomenon

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or even just about like navigating

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within this like crazy ufo community

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so he was one of the very first people i

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ever interviewed that's crazy and it it

558
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,600
was i'm actually i'm gonna tell you a

559
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,080
story i've never told this story

560
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:58,799
okay so what happened was i have i was

561
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,600
just hired by the debrief

562
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:04,240
run by tim mcmillan mj banayas and micah

563
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:05,200
hanks

564
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,720
and my job was to be the ufo girl like i

565
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,360
meant to kind of really cover ufo news

566
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,760
interview ufo researchers or enthusiasts

567
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,520
or those involved in the topic and go

568
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,640
from there

569
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,320
so he was actually the second person i

570
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,000
ever interviewed i i should correct that

571
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,000
he was a second person but the first

572
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,120
person that had a really really high

573
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:27,039
profile

574
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,080
and

575
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,400
i didn't know how to stream i didn't

576
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,559
know how to podcast i didn't have any of

577
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,120
the fancy equipment like i do today this

578
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,200
is probably like a year ago now

579
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,159
and uh i was able to get his um contact

580
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:42,480
information and i call him and i said hi

581
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,640
mr uh elizondo like how how how are you

582
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,320
he's like hey

583
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,080
christina gomez i'm great how are you

584
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,760
and i'm like oh my gosh you know my name

585
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,760
like it instantly faint i i instantly

586
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,280
fainted right there

587
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,720
because i i had seen i had seen this

588
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,760
person as a person on television i knew

589
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,679
that the work that he was doing he

590
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:05,840
at this time already been somewhat

591
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,559
established after coming out of atip

592
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,400
and

593
00:23:07,029 --> 00:22:11,120
i

594
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,039
and

595
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,760
i had to give this poor man three zoom

596
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,720
links

597
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,960
one after the other because this

598
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,280
interview ended up being three hours

599
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:17,679
long because i didn't put in my contacts

600
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,270
and this this this poor man just

601
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,400
he respected me even though i was not

602
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,039
fully professional i didn't really know

603
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,919
how to handle the situation

604
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,480
and from that moment on we became

605
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,559
friends after that like he he is someone

606
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,720
that i respect and i know i know there's

607
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,600
a lot of controversy what con

608
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,200
there's a lot when it comes to him

609
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:46,880
you're a part of two camps either you

610
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,520
believe him or you don't and when it

611
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,320
comes to myself it's not a matter of

612
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,279
belief it's a matter of what information

613
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,360
he brings to the table but also the

614
00:24:03,029 --> 00:23:59,840
respect that he has for every single

615
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,039
person that he speaks to i have almost

616
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,520
never i'm going to say that almost never

617
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,279
seen an interview where he was

618
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,200
disrespectful to anyone even if they

619
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,279
were placing him in a corner really

620
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,640
trying to

621
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,640
force him to give answers even though

622
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,320
he's under an nda and if he breaks those

623
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,720
ndas he will go to prison and then we

624
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,480
will never see him again

625
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,520
like that is how big that is i don't

626
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,240
think people get that they're like oh he

627
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,000
works for us you know he's part of the

628
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,159
government and he needs to tell us

629
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,559
everything that he knows and while of

630
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,279
course we all want that absolutely we

631
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,200
want to know what he's seen what he's

632
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,080
gone through that he can't tell us yet

633
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,880
because he signed an nda

634
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:45,279
he simply cannot or we would we just

635
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,480
won't see him

636
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:48,640
again and when it comes to the ufo

637
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,919
community for years they've been begging

638
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,320
they've been begging for someone inside

639
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,159
of the military inside of the government

640
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,840
to come to the ufo community and to give

641
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,440
breadcrumbs we got one and they're like

642
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,200
nah he's not good enough no no he's fake

643
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,440
now we we don't like him and then you

644
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:07,440
have the other camp that says we've been

645
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,640
asking for this and we're so grateful

646
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:12,880
no matter what information he gives and

647
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,840
that's not just him but anyone anyone

648
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,880
that has a steady platform

649
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,880
no matter how much information you give

650
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,720
no matter how respectful no matter how

651
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,440
loyal no matter how great you may be at

652
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,840
your job or even as a researcher there's

653
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,679
always going to be a handful of people

654
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:31,120
that don't like what you're doing and

655
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,480
that are going to try to pull you

656
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,960
through the mud and make you look bad

657
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,559
even if you even if you do a hiccup

658
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,799
you're like like oh this person is is

659
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,159
sick and they're going to give you

660
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:42,159
they're going to spread that disease for

661
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,440
instance which is

662
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,039
a very

663
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,640
which is not true i just want to make

664
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,360
that

665
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:48,960
just an example

666
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,159
and and so when when it comes to lou he

667
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,159
is someone that has

668
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,559
been through fire and back over and over

669
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,120
and over again yet he's still pushing

670
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,159
forward and that that shows

671
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,320
what kind of person he is i don't think

672
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,159
anyone else could go through what he's

673
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,159
gone through with the ufo community

674
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,679
alone

675
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,600
right and on top of that who couldn't

676
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,440
even imagine what he's dealing with from

677
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,880
the pentagon and

678
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,960
who well who knows where else well thank

679
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,480
you so much for sharing that story with

680
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,640
me i am honored that you told up here

681
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,520
first

682
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,640
um and i completely agree with you i i

683
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,080
being very honest the reason i'm doing

684
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,440
this is lou elizondo because i feel like

685
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,080
i got very into ufos about a year ago

686
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,159
got obsessed you know kind of very

687
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,000
much the same way that you did

688
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,200
um but the way that he conducts himself

689
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,000
was such an inspiration to me because it

690
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,559
felt like a call to action

691
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,960
in terms of like this is what it means

692
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,279
to live with integrity and this is what

693
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,840
it means to back up what you believe and

694
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,600
to like put yourself on the line for

695
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,240
what you believe in i can't do uh you

696
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,640
know one tenth of one percent of what

697
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,120
he's doing but like like i feel like i

698
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,520
can do my little part you know and

699
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,440
so i'm that's a lovely story thank you

700
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,520
for sharing it with us

701
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,120
and that's all that matters it's it's

702
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,960
having that sense of purpose knowing

703
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,679
that you can just do that little bit and

704
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,200
the fact that he inspires is i i think i

705
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,679
think a big reason to why he does this

706
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,080
what he did tell me because when i had

707
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,679
first met him he was like he was a big

708
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,159
deal to me and he said

709
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,919
don't meet your heroes christina you'll

710
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,840
always be disappointed

711
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:32,000
because when you look at these people

712
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,360
like from far away for example

713
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,799
celebrities okay

714
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,720
uh we think of them as being this

715
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,960
amazing like god-like creature and you

716
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,559
could never interact with them and then

717
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,320
you meet them and they're just very

718
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,880
normal people they're very normal and

719
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,520
then your your ideology of them changes

720
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,559
they're like oh they're just they're

721
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,039
just people like this is boring so he

722
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,039
had told me from the very beginning

723
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,039
don't you don't want to meet your heroes

724
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,600
or just don't have heroes and it'll be

725
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,760
better like that and honestly that

726
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,960
advice has helped me a lot through

727
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,799
throughout the way because

728
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,360
i won't lie i mean i in my opinion i

729
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,880
think i've interviewed some pretty high

730
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,200
profile people and in a short time frame

731
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:13,360
and there were some that i was so i was

732
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,840
so

733
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,919
gut-wrenchingly nervous it showed on

734
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,159
camera it showed through through the way

735
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,279
i spoke because i had i had looked up to

736
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,039
these people and then at the end of the

737
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,399
interview i'm just like why was i

738
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,880
nervous these guys are so normal they're

739
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,559
so nice

740
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,840
and um throughout time i've i've really

741
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,440
taken that

742
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,960
what he said to heart

743
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,720
of just just don't see them just see

744
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,600
them as people and it it's made

745
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,159
my interactions a lot smoother than i

746
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,679
could have expected

747
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,320
that's awesome that's great advice

748
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,720
um let me see here so obviously

749
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,880
switching gears again um there's been

750
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,720
sort of an unprecedented level of

751
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,320
acknowledgement and movement within the

752
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,159
government over the last few years

753
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,000
regarding uaps

754
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,320
um i know that you monitor all of this

755
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,320
very closely and i would just love to

756
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,960
hear i mean i know it's pure speculation

757
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,320
on everyone's part at this point but if

758
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,480
you add your crystal ball kind of where

759
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:12,080
do you think we're going to be like in

760
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,520
five years with this do you think that

761
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,640
we're going to be to the point where

762
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,240
we've reached that paradigm shift where

763
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,200
people

764
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,480
this or understanding of this or do you

765
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,760
think that we've got kind of a longer

766
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,559
road ahead of us than that

767
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,360
i want to say hopefully in five years i

768
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,679
mean look at elon musk in 2024 he wants

769
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,039
to get the people he wants to get people

770
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,679
on mars okay that's in two years that's

771
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,919
a that's a tall order to fill but if

772
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,320
you're able to really plant people on a

773
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,320
planet not just not just on a moon but

774
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,399
on another planet

775
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,279
you have to ask these questions are

776
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,080
there other intelligent life forms in

777
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,559
our universe in our galaxy or maybe even

778
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,120
in our solar system

779
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,480
we have to have these types of questions

780
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,520
if people weren't curious if

781
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,360
people didn't think outside of the box

782
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:03,039
we wouldn't have the internet we

783
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,080
wouldn't be able to have this

784
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,080
conversation hundreds if not thousands

785
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,240
of miles away from each other we

786
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:10,480
wouldn't be able to have rocket ships or

787
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,080
even regular ships to travel the ocean

788
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,559
if there wasn't any curiosity we would

789
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,399
not have what we have today we would

790
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,200
still be back as being cavemen and using

791
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,840
rocks and and bones and sticks

792
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,080
to go through life i don't want that i'm

793
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,720
sorry that is not for me i like to have

794
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,840
my cup of coffee i like some ice cream

795
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,240
and that that takes certain equipment to

796
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,000
do

797
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,760
so

798
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,080
what do i want to see in five years i

799
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,000
want this topic to be mainstream in the

800
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,880
last year right before several months

801
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:46,640
before the

802
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,559
uap preliminary report was released you

803
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,000
had news outlets your mainstream news

804
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,360
outlets having conversations about ufos

805
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,480
and even aliens every single day you had

806
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,039
panelists you even had debates

807
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,200
with researchers with scientists and

808
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,679
with skeptics and that's great i think

809
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,679
we need to have all of those people in

810
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,159
this conversation i think we definitely

811
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,240
need to have skeptics in the field

812
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,919
because they make you think outside of

813
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,440
the box if you don't have an answer

814
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:19,919
being like if you're jumping on faith

815
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,880
alone or just anecdotal accounts alone

816
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,640
of course a skeptic is going to come in

817
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,600
and say where did you get that

818
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,000
information how is that possible

819
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,240
so it's very healthy to have those

820
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,360
people in and of course we always want

821
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,000
scientists involved and we're so lucky

822
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,720
to have avi loeb to be a part of this

823
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,159
community in a sense in a very

824
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,519
roundabout way he's not like really

825
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:44,320
involved but he's there and he's done

826
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:47,919
thousands of interviews with all types

827
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,279
of ufo podcasts having conversations

828
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,039
like these and he's and he's pushing for

829
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,039
it he really is an advocate

830
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,200
for getting more scientists to think

831
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,240
outside of the box however he is very

832
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,640
much aware that for the most part

833
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,120
scientists need to be funded and the

834
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:07,840
people that fund them need to have the

835
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,440
same idea of of what needs to be done

836
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200
let's say you're you're

837
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,440
another harvard professor scientist and

838
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,279
you need funding you're like yes

839
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,919
aliens are real and they're right here

840
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,080
it's going to be very difficult

841
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,720
for the most part to get some good

842
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,000
sufficient amount of funding by multiple

843
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,519
people

844
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,360
to to go ahead and fund your research

845
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,039
but if you kind of do it in a more

846
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,880
scientific manner if you say look i

847
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,880
really want to build these telescopes to

848
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,080
collect data to then to then from there

849
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,760
bring proof to whatever he wants to do

850
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,320
that makes more sense and you're doing

851
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,679
it in a nice linear way a very

852
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,559
step a step b step c versus saying yep

853
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,640
aliens are here and i want to prove that

854
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,200
there's a big difference so

855
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,880
we need to have more scientists like

856
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,880
that and he is the stepping stone he is

857
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:03,919
inspiring a bunch of other people so i i

858
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,279
think in five years time

859
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,760
this conversation might be more

860
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:12,000
mainstream while it's still being talked

861
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:12,960
about

862
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,240
more people are still kind of shy to to

863
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,320
really get serious about it but if i

864
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,640
walk through let's say campus or let's

865
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,320
say even just like a

866
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,600
a crowded area i see at least one i see

867
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,159
at least one person with an alien tattoo

868
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,760
i always look

869
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:31,760
i'm always looking for just something

870
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,440
that stands out to me being like so

871
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,720
aliens right

872
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,840
and um i think i think the fact that

873
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,840
these people are are inking something

874
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,640
for the rest of their life of a symbol

875
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,640
of an alien or something you know

876
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,240
pertaining to that

877
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,200
is is showing the mentality that this is

878
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,600
just being more accepted if you got a

879
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:55,200
tattoo that wasn't accepted i'm not

880
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,320
going to get into detail but you can

881
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,399
kind of imagine what i'm getting at

882
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,799
if you get a tattoo that is not accepted

883
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,080
you're going to get ridiculed you might

884
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,480
even get beat up for it and nobody wants

885
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,399
that we all want to be accepted that's

886
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:08,960
part of our our innate survival

887
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,320
instincts we want to be accepted

888
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,399
otherwise if we're left outside of that

889
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,800
clan that group we will die

890
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,399
that's not really the case in today's

891
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,159
world but that's kind of the very

892
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,599
primitive instinct that we have

893
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,560
so

894
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,320
in five years time

895
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,399
i hope and i think that this

896
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,760
conversation will be a lot more

897
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,200
mainstream and then people are going to

898
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,720
be coming to our podcasts our shows our

899
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,040
articles that we write

900
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,440
to to really feed in that hunger that

901
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,679
maybe the mainstream media is falling

902
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,119
short on

903
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,040
yeah absolutely i think that's a great

904
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,960
point that you brought up about um

905
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,679
funding for scientific research into all

906
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,440
of this i think that you know there's a

907
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,960
lot of people who are under the

908
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,320
impression that

909
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,919
we've already kind of closed the book on

910
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,400
many things everything from ufos to you

911
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,640
know psychics and all of everything in

912
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,800
between and that actually i don't know

913
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,359
if you got a chance to listen yet to um

914
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,240
gary nolan on uh theories of everything

915
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,480
yesterday but he was talking about

916
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,960
that exact problem about you know he's

917
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,280
funding a lot of his own research some

918
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
of the most important work that's being

919
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,960
done on the planet right now is being

920
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:21,359
self-funded you know so it's like how i

921
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,560
was just sitting there thinking like how

922
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,119
do we get these guys more money you know

923
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,640
and i don't know the answer to that but

924
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,079
i think that that's something that the

925
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,000
community can really start sinking its

926
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,960
teeth into in the next couple years

927
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,839
because if you don't do the research in

928
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,720
these kind of more simplistic manners

929
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,240
you're not going to understand the

930
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,400
struggles of what happens funding is a

931
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,800
very serious issue and while no one

932
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,119
really likes talking about money and i

933
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,880
respect that

934
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,280
it needs to be talked about especially

935
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,520
if you want to see results if you want

936
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,920
the science community to be involved you

937
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,760
better be some kind of philanthropist

938
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,320
and throw money at them be like hey take

939
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,960
care of this or speak to someone who has

940
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,960
those kinds of funds to take care of it

941
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,599
because if if these philanthropists or

942
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,560
these these funders aren't aware of the

943
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,800
topic why should they fund it there

944
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,560
needs to be a little bit of background

945
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,119
knowledge to get interested so it's kind

946
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,119
of like this vicious cycle there really

947
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:21,920
is no beginning there's no end it's just

948
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,040
kind of like this vicious loop of

949
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,040
how do i start how do i get started and

950
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,240
and how do i make sure it happens

951
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,040
so having these conversations talking

952
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,920
about this every single day

953
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,000
some person at least one person that

954
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,400
wasn't exposed to the topic will be

955
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,400
exposed to the topic because of you

956
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,480
because they found your podcast or

957
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,200
because they found your show and and

958
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,839
that's what we need to do more of get

959
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,760
more people exposed by simply just

960
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,400
creating more content

961
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,440
absolutely amen to that

962
00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,000
i wonder if you have an opinion i'm not

963
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
sure that i do it's something that i

964
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:02,880
think about a lot so i'd love to get

965
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,400
your thoughts um on ufo amnesty which

966
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,920
for anyone who's listening who might not

967
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,760
be familiar with that concept it's sort

968
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,440
of the idea that

969
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,240
um

970
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,240
if there are a bunch of secrets that

971
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,760
have been kept by the government over a

972
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:17,760
long period of time regarding you know

973
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,880
uaps ufos everyone referred to them that

974
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,720
you know perhaps the best way to get

975
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,680
people to be forthcoming would be to

976
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,119
you know say that you won't get punished

977
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,200
if you come forward um but obviously

978
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,000
that's a very complex question because

979
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,520
it's like what

980
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,960
what are we giving them amnesty for

981
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
exactly it's hard to know exactly how

982
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,040
deep that rabbit hole goes and what

983
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,480
exactly would we be

984
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,480
excusing people for is it just keeping

985
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,640
secrets or is it more than that so you

986
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,480
know i'd love to know if you have an

987
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:48,079
opinion or you know how you think about

988
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,520
that

989
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,520
i think in this aspect we need to look

990
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:52,480
at it

991
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,640
from a child mother aspect

992
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,040
i i love using children as an example

993
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,040
the child mentality as an example

994
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,040
because i think that a lot of adults

995
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,880
including myself we don't really grow up

996
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,480
we still have that very simplistic

997
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,839
mentality

998
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,359
so

999
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,680
let's say your mom comes up and you do

1000
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,839
something pretty bad maybe you lied

1001
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,440
maybe you took cookies from the cookie

1002
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,040
jar and you blamed it on your dog greg

1003
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:22,000
okay the mom obviously knows this and

1004
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,040
she says

1005
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,480
look honey

1006
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,640
what really happened and you keep lying

1007
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,440
right

1008
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,839
and the mom says look i won't get mad at

1009
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:32,880
you if you just tell me the truth i

1010
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,680
won't get bad just tell me okay

1011
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,440
and you already know that's dangerous

1012
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:41,200
you already know what's gonna happen

1013
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,000
next

1014
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,520
but then you're like

1015
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,359
you're gonna take that leap of faith

1016
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,800
you're gonna believe your mom and you're

1017
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,839
gonna say

1018
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,160
yeah i i took the cookie jars and then

1019
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,079
your mom takes the the sandal and she

1020
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,000
starts hitting you with it okay she's

1021
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,920
like you lied to me and i told you not

1022
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,760
to lie why are you lying now you tell me

1023
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,880
the truth now you're going to be

1024
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,320
punished because you originally lied

1025
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,760
well now that you know that kind of

1026
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,680
cycle right if you lie you're going to

1027
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,200
get in trouble if you tell the truth

1028
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,800
after you lie you're still going to get

1029
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,800
in trouble so what's the best thing you

1030
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,160
can do keep lying or don't say anything

1031
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,359
at all or don't get caught

1032
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:21,920
when you look at it from that aspect now

1033
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,800
now we place that idea into government

1034
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:27,119
standards or or maybe even public

1035
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,079
standards in the amount about the

1036
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,960
government just like publicly

1037
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,359
the same kind of thing

1038
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,599
happens if you lie you're going to get

1039
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,200
in trouble you might get your license

1040
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,720
revoked you might lose a bunch of

1041
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,079
followers if you're some kind of

1042
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,359
influencer

1043
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,560
if you

1044
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,880
lie and then tell the truth people are

1045
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,119
gonna start stop believing in you

1046
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,800
they're gonna they're gonna punish you

1047
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,960
in some way they might again revoke your

1048
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,280
license if you're some kind of

1049
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:54,800
doctor scientist or something that needs

1050
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,000
a license so no matter what you do

1051
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,839
you're there's going to be some kind of

1052
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,520
penalty there's going to be some kind of

1053
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,680
consequence but if you keep lying and

1054
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,240
you're not caught on that lie

1055
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,599
you're going to make it for a few more

1056
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,680
years until at one point they're going

1057
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,960
to find out

1058
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,599
so when it comes to this and let let's

1059
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,000
look at this now at a government aspect

1060
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,800
where for 70 plus years they said no no

1061
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,720
we don't study ufos we don't really care

1062
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,160
we don't have the time we don't have the

1063
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:23,520
funds for it

1064
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,280
then we found out atip in 2017 and we're

1065
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,200
like hmm you just told me that you

1066
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,880
weren't interested but

1067
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,800
you were interested these last few years

1068
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:35,040
and you put that much money 22 million

1069
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,160
dollars and you're saying that you don't

1070
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,079
have the funds for it after project blue

1071
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,280
book

1072
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,040
so you start scratching your head and

1073
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,319
and you you begin to lose that faith

1074
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,960
and then now now the government's saying

1075
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,839
look we people in our navy

1076
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,960
people

1077
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,680
in our air force in the army if you see

1078
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,160
a ufo just file a claim and we're just

1079
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,680
going to leave it at that if you see

1080
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,680
something but then it usually doesn't

1081
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,240
see the light of day and

1082
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,119
or if we look just a few years back i

1083
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,119
think it was in the

1084
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,119
late 70s early 80s

1085
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,920
you have the japanese airline that flew

1086
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:13,680
over alaska

1087
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,640
he the pilot said look i saw ufo he

1088
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,359
tells his people he loses his job he's

1089
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,680
no longer a pilot and now he has a desk

1090
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,319
job just because he told his story to

1091
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,359
the press and to his management look i

1092
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,040
saw something that cannot be explained

1093
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:32,640
it was like this huge mothership craft

1094
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:36,160
like what do i do with that information

1095
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,960
and

1096
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,119
he got penalized for that so with

1097
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,280
stories like that and there's quite a

1098
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,960
few other ones

1099
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,560
it makes you want to

1100
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,920
stay

1101
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,520
very shut you don't want to open your

1102
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,319
mouth to either telling a story or even

1103
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:51,920
for the government to say look we're

1104
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,119
interested in this because the more that

1105
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,440
they fall short on their lies after

1106
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,200
lying for 70 years and saying no

1107
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,960
actually this was a lie

1108
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,440
the less you trust them and the less you

1109
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,240
trust them the more issues there are

1110
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,880
right so it is like you said it is very

1111
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:10,880
very complex

1112
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,680
there's nothing simple about it and i

1113
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,640
think in in today's world

1114
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,440
more people are questioning the issue

1115
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,440
and that's why for example the

1116
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,520
pentagon's trying to be more

1117
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,720
transparent like for example we have the

1118
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,270
asked for a foia report and they got

1119
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,640
1500 pages on if you interact with the

1120
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,760
ufo all of these types of health issues

1121
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:40,160
you can possibly receive or have

1122
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,599
received from certain witnesses right so

1123
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,400
we're slowly beginning to get more

1124
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,960
important information

1125
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,920
but

1126
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,720
again it's very complex on what you want

1127
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,880
to believe and why

1128
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:57,599
things like this are happening now

1129
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,359
yeah absolutely um speaking of i find it

1130
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,200
very interesting speaking i think it

1131
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,160
kind of ties into that whole stigma

1132
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,640
thing that's around this whole issue i

1133
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,880
find it very interesting that those you

1134
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,280
know 1400 some documents that were

1135
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:16,160
released were released to the sun to in

1136
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,280
the uk

1137
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,760
right so it's not even a us

1138
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,680
it's not even a u.s media outlet and

1139
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,520
it's not like they gave it to i mean no

1140
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,680
shade to the sun but like it's not the

1141
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:27,440
new york times it's not the washington

1142
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,359
post i'm sure they also asked you know

1143
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,960
i just find it interesting that that was

1144
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,359
the way that they and that they dumped

1145
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,560
it and i

1146
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,079
feel like that was intentional and i

1147
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,359
wonder if you have

1148
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,440
thoughts on that

1149
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,839
everything is intentional there's no

1150
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,280
question about it look i don't believe

1151
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,040
in coincidences

1152
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,960
everything is as it should be everything

1153
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,119
is planned as it should be that's my

1154
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,599
mentality that's my belief my opinion

1155
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,200
i'm not going to push that on to anybody

1156
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,480
else

1157
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,200
what i'm not fond with

1158
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
when it comes to the sun that they have

1159
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,800
not released

1160
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,800
those pages those documents yet to the

1161
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,880
public that's what bothers me they're

1162
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,400
writing up all these articles they're

1163
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,880
sitting on it they have it

1164
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,119
but they're not giving it to us even

1165
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,400
though

1166
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:17,040
they got it and they can't share it so

1167
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,839
that that that's where my issue lies

1168
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,200
and you know what they might not be the

1169
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,000
only ones there could be other companies

1170
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,160
or other news outlets that have done the

1171
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,240
exact same thing and those documents

1172
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,520
haven't seen the light of day yet

1173
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,839
so

1174
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:37,200
everything is

1175
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,319
absolutely

1176
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,240
um switching gears a little bit once

1177
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,480
again um i know that we talked a little

1178
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,920
bit you've had some big names on your

1179
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,240
podcast obviously and i think you know

1180
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,599
people who are in the ufos will go to

1181
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,599
your channel and if they aren't already

1182
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,200
subscribed um

1183
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,400
and know who those are but i was

1184
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,640
wondering like do you were there maybe

1185
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,839
um

1186
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,040
have you had any guests who maybe

1187
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,560
weren't such a high profile name but

1188
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,839
that you had like just such a good

1189
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,359
conversation with that you feel like you

1190
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,440
would point people towards that

1191
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,200
um on your channel and if so like what

1192
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,720
was it really about that conversation

1193
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,040
that sticks with you

1194
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,280
that's a great question

1195
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,359
every single person says like i love all

1196
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,839
my children but every single person that

1197
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,760
i've interviewed they've just brought

1198
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,680
something to the table that one i didn't

1199
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,839
consider or one thing that i just never

1200
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,960
heard anyone else say

1201
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,960
but i guess the one that's freshest in

1202
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,960
my memory just happened yesterday with

1203
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,119
jessica jones and while she's been in

1204
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:38,720
the field for about 10 years she just

1205
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,400
started podcasting last october where

1206
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,240
she really began telling her stories her

1207
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,480
experiences and also talking to other

1208
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,800
guests and she brought something to my

1209
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,079
attention and that that i was so shocked

1210
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
about that i had never heard anyone say

1211
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,880
and was that her team actually

1212
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,119
documented a portal

1213
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
they she had two members literally walk

1214
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,400
in a portal

1215
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:06,800
and they had it recorded on fleur and it

1216
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,240
was kind of like a cube square shaped

1217
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,440
looking

1218
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,839
doorway those are narrow quotes

1219
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,560
doorway portal and

1220
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,000
i think that

1221
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,960
the experience that she has her literal

1222
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,280
boots on the ground experience with

1223
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,440
several different

1224
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,880
groups both

1225
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,319
dealing with cryptids dealing with

1226
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,319
bigfoot and a lot of her groups also

1227
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,040
have remote viewers in it as well you're

1228
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,280
getting like this this

1229
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,520
this woman that has all these different

1230
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,480
aspects that not a lot of people have

1231
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,480
so she's kind of the first person that

1232
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,319
comes to mind again because she is the

1233
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,079
freshest that i interviewed that i was

1234
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,079
just so shocked that i'm thinking

1235
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,720
you you need more people following your

1236
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,880
content oh my goodness yeah i know what

1237
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,240
i'm doing right after this i'll have to

1238
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,720
check that out that sounds crazy

1239
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,599
it it it blew my mind she had a lot of

1240
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,000
really great stories and also with her

1241
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,480
somewhat bigfoot experiences but not um

1242
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:06,240
i don't want to spoil it for you if

1243
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,599
you're really going to watch it

1244
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,000
it's it's a really really good show she

1245
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,960
has some stories that i think

1246
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,560
more people need to know about or

1247
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,560
experience for themselves either or

1248
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,079
absolutely no i'll totally watch it and

1249
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,440
we'll put the link in the in the

1250
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,280
comments below so people can check that

1251
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,800
out also

1252
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,040
um speaking of cryptids what's your

1253
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,200
favorite cryptid

1254
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,200
it's not something that i'm well versed

1255
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,079
in yet it's it's it's not something that

1256
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,240
i know a lot about but i have seen quite

1257
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:36,400
a few tv shows on it but i think my

1258
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,359
favorite

1259
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,319
just at from like a child's heart would

1260
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,079
have to be fairies

1261
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,119
and dragons just like the very nice

1262
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,559
mystical

1263
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,800
ones from fantasyland those are i mean

1264
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,559
those are my favorite but if we're

1265
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:52,559
looking at i guess in a sense more

1266
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,480
documented ones by researchers

1267
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,520
truly uh bigfoot is a pretty fascinating

1268
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,440
one you have so many different aspects

1269
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:03,200
some believe that they're able to cloak

1270
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,400
some believe that they're able to

1271
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,240
actually enter and exit portals through

1272
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,400
trees entering their own dimension or

1273
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:10,319
maybe even a different dimension

1274
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,359
um

1275
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,839
and you're just able to see them all

1276
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,440
across the globe it's not just in the

1277
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:17,920
u.s you see them in china called the

1278
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,160
yeren you can see them in russia nepal

1279
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,880
in south america i'm not too familiar if

1280
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,880
there's too many there i mean it's

1281
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,640
it's it's warm and impossible all that

1282
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,359
fur i doubt it's gonna be like worth it

1283
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,480
for them

1284
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:33,760
but

1285
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,359
that one

1286
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,040
a lot more people are interested in

1287
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,079
there's a good amount of better data

1288
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,480
compared to other cryptids but i think

1289
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,480
another interesting one

1290
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,400
might have to be the skinwalker i mean

1291
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,599
any kind of these like native lore these

1292
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,920
native cryptids that are kind of more

1293
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,920
based off of curses like they were

1294
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,400
regular people and then they either did

1295
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,640
something really terrible or they were

1296
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,880
cursed by another tribe and they became

1297
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,960
these horrendous creatures

1298
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,040
is also fascinating because

1299
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,559
you're dealing with

1300
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,280
what many would consider fantasy

1301
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,440
with reality

1302
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,920
or you're dealing with magic that that a

1303
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,680
lot of people still kind of consider a

1304
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,960
taboo or something that's not

1305
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:20,240
necessarily

1306
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:21,280
true

1307
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,079
with

1308
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,480
people actually encountering these

1309
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,440
creatures that just look horrifying or

1310
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,880
even sound just dreadful

1311
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:31,920
so

1312
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,079
myths and legends across the across the

1313
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,839
globe i love them all i just don't have

1314
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,160
the time to research them but i love

1315
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,079
them

1316
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,520
so when it comes when it comes to

1317
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,119
cryptids i need to do a lot more

1318
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,720
research to really find my favorite but

1319
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,800
which one's yours i gotta know

1320
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,480
well i've been very surprised to find

1321
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:52,960
myself getting into bigfoot um because i

1322
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,240
thought like that was one that i just i

1323
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,400
had a harder time initial initially

1324
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,720
taking that seriously but what changed

1325
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,280
it for me is i was listening to um

1326
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,040
sasquatch chronicles

1327
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,720
and yeah i was listen i was like i'm

1328
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,920
gonna listen to one episode of this and

1329
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,040
i just happened to listen to this

1330
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,559
episode where this

1331
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,240
gentleman described his experience he

1332
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,160
was young with friends and the whole

1333
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,319
thing was literally like we saw bigfoot

1334
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:18,000
we ran away like that was the story

1335
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,200
except that

1336
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
the way that he told it he hadn't told

1337
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,200
it for years and when and when wes the

1338
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,800
host asked him

1339
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,720
you know

1340
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,240
what is the number one word that you

1341
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,920
think of when you think of this

1342
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
experience that you had and he said

1343
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,440
um

1344
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,200
he said failure

1345
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,040
and that just like really struck me and

1346
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,640
you know wes kind of dug in with him and

1347
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,280
asked him what that meant and he said

1348
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,760
that his friendships with the other

1349
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,920
gentlemen who he had seen this thing

1350
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,480
with like had deteriorated and that it

1351
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,000
was because

1352
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,599
he said you're supposed to be able to

1353
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,920
trust your friends and in that moment

1354
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,680
he's like we would have crawled over

1355
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,200
each other like we were crawling over

1356
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,200
each other to get away from this thing

1357
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,920
we were all so terrified and he was like

1358
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,760
and i just he's like sometimes i lay in

1359
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,200
bed at night like think about like what

1360
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,200
if my wife had been there and just like

1361
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,319
all of these things and it's just to me

1362
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,960
he was so genuinely traumatized it was

1363
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,680
so clearly like a really emotional and

1364
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,680
terrible experience for him that you

1365
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,559
know very much like with you know ufo

1366
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,240
experiencers and that sort of thing i

1367
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,079
think sometimes the best evidence is

1368
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,680
talking to people

1369
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,280
who have been there because sometimes

1370
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,960
the evidence is cloudier sometimes it's

1371
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,960
just not even available but it's hard to

1372
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:31,920
deny

1373
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:35,520
the human element to it

1374
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,119
that is kind of disheartening in a sense

1375
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,800
and when it comes to survival just your

1376
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,119
main instinct to survive

1377
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,359
sometimes we do actions that we could

1378
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:50,400
have never considered that we could do

1379
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,599
and and even place other people's lives

1380
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,000
as as a stepping stone to make sure that

1381
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,119
we survive and while anyone will say no

1382
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,520
i'll never do that you simply do not

1383
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,000
know until it happens to you because

1384
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,319
you're not acting with rationality at

1385
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,800
those moments you're acting to survive

1386
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,160
alone

1387
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:12,480
so hearing that story just briefly from

1388
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
you kelly is uh is is really sad and it

1389
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,480
really puts into perspective what's the

1390
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,839
meaning of all of it what are you

1391
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:22,079
looking for every single day when you

1392
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,960
live

1393
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,200
what's the purpose absolutely

1394
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
absolutely

1395
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,240
and to not leave it on too dark of a

1396
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:30,960
note there is one cryptid that i love

1397
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:34,000
that's just absurd um which is the hoop

1398
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,760
snake and it's something that was seen

1399
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:37,520
kind of like in the american west in the

1400
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,960
south sort of like in the mid 1800s from

1401
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,480
time to time there were just random

1402
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,920
sightings and all the sightings the hoop

1403
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,920
snake it's literally like kind of like

1404
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,680
the oro boris with the you know the

1405
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,440
snake eating its own tail except that it

1406
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,359
would just be like that and it would

1407
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,359
you know how you can like roll a hoop

1408
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,599
like a hula hoop down the road that it

1409
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,359
was just like that it was making itself

1410
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,520
into a wheel and just like rolling and

1411
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:01,119
people just be like yeah i saw it roll

1412
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,559
down this hill and down the road that's

1413
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,240
like the whole story that's it and i'm

1414
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,839
just like what

1415
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,079
was that

1416
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,520
because it was seen all over the place

1417
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,960
and i just think it's so funny sometimes

1418
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,240
i just imagined it and start laughing

1419
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,640
because it's ridiculous

1420
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,640
i need to look at that that does sound

1421
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,680
quite comical and i guess even at this

1422
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:21,520
when you're dealing with the mentality

1423
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,400
of the 1800s it's kind of more when it

1424
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,319
comes to nature it's kind of more of

1425
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,559
like anything goes like yeah okay yeah i

1426
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,079
just saw this thing and it was totally

1427
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,599
fine so uh this hoop snake um

1428
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,720
right it does sound pretty funny

1429
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:38,800
it cracks me up i can't even explain why

1430
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,599
it's just so funny to me

1431
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,880
because like that's not a more efficient

1432
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,720
way to travel i don't feel like the

1433
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,240
slytherin they were doing

1434
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,680
down a hill that's that's pretty

1435
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,359
efficient

1436
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,200
but it might like hurt you know all of

1437
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,079
your bones so maybe not the best

1438
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,559
absolutely absolutely well a question i

1439
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,400
like to ask everyone kind of before we

1440
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,319
sign off is um

1441
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,160
you know for anybody who's new to this

1442
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,839
topic like where do you

1443
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,200
where do you recommend that they start

1444
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,040
or like what kind of mentality do you

1445
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,960
you know recommend that they take on

1446
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,870
first thing would be to see what kind of

1447
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,880
you gravitate more supposed to is it the

1448
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,280
science aspect is it the the stories the

1449
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,440
anecdotal stories the witness accounts

1450
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,200
is it the spiritual aspect because like

1451
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,280
i said at the very beginning no matter

1452
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,520
what path you take they're all going to

1453
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,839
take you to the same destination at some

1454
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,160
point but if you're able to incorporate

1455
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,240
all of them you might get to that

1456
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,720
destination faster

1457
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,680
no one has the answers to

1458
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,160
any of any of these phenomena and anyone

1459
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,160
that says they do

1460
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,640
they're lying okay and there's a lot of

1461
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,400
people that say they have all

1462
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,520
all

1463
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,559
the answers and um turns out a little

1464
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,000
bit later a few years later maybe even a

1465
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,920
decade later that that wasn't the case

1466
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,559
so i would say remain vigilant don't

1467
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,520
believe everything you hear um find the

1468
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,119
path that works for you i recommend

1469
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,720
doing all the paths but if you wanted to

1470
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,000
read a book to kind of get a good

1471
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,480
foundation one that i personally liked

1472
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:10,240
is called

1473
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,000
ufos for the 21st 21st century mind by

1474
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,359
richard dolan

1475
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,040
it's it's a very very thick book it's

1476
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,559
like 600 pages but it it briefly goes

1477
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,440
over all of the most famous cases all

1478
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,240
the most famous historical accounts when

1479
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,680
it comes to ufos and again if you're

1480
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,000
starting out brand new you just want to

1481
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,799
like read a few stories a day

1482
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,079
that would be a book that i would

1483
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,280
recommend

1484
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,880
awesome i'll have to check that one out

1485
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,720
i've got like a whole ufo library at

1486
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,400
this point i feel like new books show up

1487
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,760
every day and i'm like why am i reading

1488
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,520
all these books we don't know but they

1489
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,280
keep coming

1490
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,880
i know the feeling

1491
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,200
um so what can we expect to see from you

1492
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,960
over the next year do you have any any

1493
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,880
big plans are you just going to keep

1494
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,400
working on your content like what do you

1495
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,880
have coming up

1496
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,119
definitely still working on content i

1497
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,760
have new show ideas to come in in the

1498
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:05,359
very near future

1499
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,160
to

1500
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,400
um kind of be more universal with the

1501
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,359
show and then to help people even

1502
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:13,359
the best that i can with these types of

1503
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,559
topics

1504
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,480
i also am

1505
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,319
planning sometime in the future maybe a

1506
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,440
year maybe in two years to um

1507
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,119
get a trailer and to travel united

1508
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,960
states and to look at all the hot spots

1509
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,359
and interview witnesses if i can and not

1510
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,280
just ufo hot spots but also dealing with

1511
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,119
the paranormal people that have been

1512
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,079
have interacted with um ghosts as well

1513
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,839
so that'll be really fantastic to take

1514
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,319
like a whole studio on the road and like

1515
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,440
a whole house you know and travel so

1516
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,359
that is something that i have in mind

1517
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,760
it's a pretty big ambition it's it's

1518
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:47,440
there's a lot that needs to be put into

1519
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,240
it

1520
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:51,599
but that is my hopes and dreams all

1521
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,040
right there just like arms length away

1522
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,119
you can do it it'll be that sounds

1523
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:59,040
amazing i i took a few years and

1524
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,559
traveled and it was the best decision i

1525
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,720
ever made so and i mean traveling with

1526
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,160
the studio to go like talk to ghost

1527
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,680
hunters like i feel like i did it wrong

1528
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,599
i want to go back and do it over again

1529
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,720
your way sounds more fun

1530
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,960
[Laughter]

1531
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,440
well christina this has been such a joy

1532
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,520
of a conversation it's been so lovely to

1533
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,240
talk to you where can people find you

1534
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,760
obviously your youtube channel where

1535
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,440
else is a great place to to look for you

1536
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:23,040
if they want to you know check out more

1537
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,160
of your work

1538
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,359
so i place almost all of my updates on

1539
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,319
twitter at eyes underscore on the skies

1540
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,640
but i do have a beacons page that that

1541
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,440
links all of my social media and

1542
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,520
podcasts and shows and everything for

1543
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,440
like it's everything's in one place

1544
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,799
versus kind of giving you all of these

1545
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,559
different links so i do recommend taking

1546
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,319
a look at that i have instagram facebook

1547
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:47,280
tik tok as well tik tok is still growing

1548
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,240
so

1549
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
more content to come

1550
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,760
but uh

1551
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,119
everything can be found there but

1552
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,119
definitely on twitter at eyes underscore

1553
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,640
on the skies

1554
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,160
amazing well thank you so much for

1555
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,760
taking the time today it has been

1556
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,599
wonderful speaking with you

1557
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:03,599
thank you for having me it's been such a

1558
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:21,829
[Music]

1559
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:38,090
oh

1560
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,590
be